Comments on: Fatigue & The Knock on Effect http://timstimes.net/2008/09/20/fatigue-the-knock-on-effect/ Ship stories and other stuff Sat, 20 Mar 2010 07:42:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2 By: Mark http://timstimes.net/2008/09/20/fatigue-the-knock-on-effect/#comment-6951 Mark Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:44:16 +0000 http://timstimes.net/2008/09/20/fatigue-the-knock-on-effect/#comment-6951 What I can say... holy words! Let me report one of my most comic experience in Antwerp. Wandelaar Pilot supposed to come at 07:00. Approaching the pilot cutter we received the order to hold position 5 cables from it until 11:30. So, we had to think something strange on the air and by the time we were worried for the blowing northerly wind coming. Once we got "green light" we discovered why we idled for three hours! Kallolock was congested and the duty pilot boarded our ship with other four (4) off duty pilots to enjoy an Italian Sunday lunch. Then we arrived alongside AntwerpEuroTerminal and hurried up 18 hours of ro-ro/cont ops. The supercargo pushed all the time to close the ramp asap. Once closed and supposed to receive the outbound Kallolock pilot we received from Antwerp Control the following message:"Grande..., you can pick up your gangway and go for rest, you'are number 18 in lock!" And I replied:"That's good, we will follow your suggest. Say the pilot to knock on the door when coming!" We waited so many hours that everybody could take a real rest! Just a remind:I also had the Monkey's cut by a lineman in Malta. But we throwed against him some old twists and garbage! What I can say… holy words! Let me report one of my most comic experience in Antwerp. Wandelaar Pilot supposed to come at 07:00. Approaching the pilot cutter we received the order to hold position 5 cables from it until 11:30. So, we had to think something strange on the air and by the time we were worried for the blowing northerly wind coming. Once we got “green light” we discovered why we idled for three hours! Kallolock was congested and the duty pilot boarded our ship with other four (4) off duty pilots to enjoy an Italian Sunday lunch. Then we arrived alongside AntwerpEuroTerminal and hurried up 18 hours of ro-ro/cont ops. The supercargo pushed all the time to close the ramp asap. Once closed and supposed to receive the outbound Kallolock pilot we received from Antwerp Control the following message:”Grande…, you can pick up your gangway and go for rest, you’are number 18 in lock!” And I replied:”That’s good, we will follow your suggest. Say the pilot to knock on the door when coming!” We waited so many hours that everybody could take a real rest!

Just a remind:I also had the Monkey’s cut by a lineman in Malta. But we throwed against him some old twists and garbage!

]]> By: Marc Van de Velde http://timstimes.net/2008/09/20/fatigue-the-knock-on-effect/#comment-6925 Marc Van de Velde Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:20:53 +0000 http://timstimes.net/2008/09/20/fatigue-the-knock-on-effect/#comment-6925 Actually, I greatly enjoy being out of my bed nighttime, even when things turn bad, and problems heap up. It's a good vibe to reassure the crew, for starters, and to show them a good humoured captain. The job satisfaction to solve the problems, pulling all your sh*t together, is a best second. Getting back to bed, tired, is always a happy ending. Actually, I greatly enjoy being out of my bed nighttime, even when things turn bad, and problems heap up. It’s a good vibe to reassure the crew, for starters, and to show them a good humoured captain.

The job satisfaction to solve the problems, pulling all your sh*t together, is a best second.

Getting back to bed, tired, is always a happy ending.

]]> By: paul the pirate http://timstimes.net/2008/09/20/fatigue-the-knock-on-effect/#comment-6325 paul the pirate Wed, 24 Sep 2008 03:44:04 +0000 http://timstimes.net/2008/09/20/fatigue-the-knock-on-effect/#comment-6325 OneEighteen, that's the best thing I've heard out of a Galveston Bar pilot in a while. Having been regularly employed on that 1 in 10 ship, I can say with all honesty that we burn with shame when it happens. OneEighteen, that’s the best thing I’ve heard out of a Galveston Bar pilot in a while. Having been regularly employed on that 1 in 10 ship, I can say with all honesty that we burn with shame when it happens.

]]> By: Tim http://timstimes.net/2008/09/20/fatigue-the-knock-on-effect/#comment-6321 Tim Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:00:36 +0000 http://timstimes.net/2008/09/20/fatigue-the-knock-on-effect/#comment-6321 Hi Lou, good to hear a Pilot's point of view too. In general in the ports around Europe the pilots are nearly always on time or early. The big ports like Antwerp and Rotterdam have congestion always which is a vessel traffic problem and lack of free berths. I guess all these delays and knock on effects are a fact of life in the job, where everything depends on lots of different groups working together but not necessarily effectively. We don't use ETA for nothing, if we had no estimate factor it would be very stressful. Thanks for commenting, Tim. Just got home today, last port....Antwerp! Hi Lou, good to hear a Pilot’s point of view too. In general in the ports around Europe the pilots are nearly always on time or early. The big ports like Antwerp and Rotterdam have congestion always which is a vessel traffic problem and lack of free berths. I guess all these delays and knock on effects are a fact of life in the job, where everything depends on lots of different groups working together but not necessarily effectively.

We don’t use ETA for nothing, if we had no estimate factor it would be very stressful.

Thanks for commenting,
Tim.

Just got home today, last port….Antwerp!

]]> By: OneEighteen http://timstimes.net/2008/09/20/fatigue-the-knock-on-effect/#comment-6304 OneEighteen Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:53:05 +0000 http://timstimes.net/2008/09/20/fatigue-the-knock-on-effect/#comment-6304 As a working pilot I am very consious of how much it costs to operate a ship. In our group a pilot can get a bad reputation if we hear he/she is showing up late for jobs. The only exception is arrivals if a pilot on an outbound ship will be on station within 20 minutes of the scheduled arrival time we won't send a pilot all the way down from Houston to cover the job. I'd say in my career I've had about 1 out of 10 ships that aren't ready to sail when I get on board. Still loading cargo. The "knock on" effect I notice is this: I figure we'll be getting tugs for docking at a certain time, say 2110. I'll give a tug time of 2100 to the captain to be sure people are out on deck on time. The captain tells the mate all hands for 2045. The mate tells the bos'n 2030 and the result is the poor AB's are out there at 5 in the afternoon wondering what sort of dumbbell the pilot is with such a rotten ETA. Regards, Lou As a working pilot I am very consious of how much it costs to operate a ship. In our group a pilot can get a bad reputation if we hear he/she is showing up late for jobs. The only exception is arrivals if a pilot on an outbound ship will be on station within 20 minutes of the scheduled arrival time we won’t send a pilot all the way down from Houston to cover the job. I’d say in my career I’ve had about 1 out of 10 ships that aren’t ready to sail when I get on board. Still loading cargo.

The “knock on” effect I notice is this: I figure we’ll be getting tugs for docking at a certain time, say 2110. I’ll give a tug time of 2100 to the captain to be sure people are out on deck on time. The captain tells the mate all hands for 2045. The mate tells the bos’n 2030 and the result is the poor AB’s are out there at 5 in the afternoon wondering what sort of dumbbell the pilot is with such a rotten ETA.

Regards,
Lou

]]> By: Tim http://timstimes.net/2008/09/20/fatigue-the-knock-on-effect/#comment-6238 Tim Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:29:52 +0000 http://timstimes.net/2008/09/20/fatigue-the-knock-on-effect/#comment-6238 Good man John, glad to be of service in expanding your vocabulary! Hi Velu, any jobs going there for Irish/Swedish Masters? Good man John, glad to be of service in expanding your vocabulary!

Hi Velu, any jobs going there for Irish/Swedish Masters?

]]> By: Velu http://timstimes.net/2008/09/20/fatigue-the-knock-on-effect/#comment-6232 Velu Sat, 20 Sep 2008 15:28:22 +0000 http://timstimes.net/2008/09/20/fatigue-the-knock-on-effect/#comment-6232 I feel your pain tim. Out here in the US Lightering trade, it feels the same sometimes. :) But a good thing about bringing a big ship to small US ports means that often we get daylight restricted. So a good nights sleep is often in order. Cheers, Velu I feel your pain tim. Out here in the US Lightering trade, it feels the same sometimes. :)

But a good thing about bringing a big ship to small US ports means that often we get daylight restricted. So a good nights sleep is often in order.

Cheers,
Velu

]]> By: J-Ratt http://timstimes.net/2008/09/20/fatigue-the-knock-on-effect/#comment-6231 J-Ratt Sat, 20 Sep 2008 15:02:22 +0000 http://timstimes.net/2008/09/20/fatigue-the-knock-on-effect/#comment-6231 "Dyspeptic". I learned a new word. “Dyspeptic”.

I learned a new word.

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